<div dir="auto">Alebo v tvojej VPS.......<div dir="auto">.....</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Dňa št 16. 8. 2018, 14:58 Jiri Vesely <<a href="mailto:postmaster@donjirka.cz">postmaster@donjirka.cz</a>> napísal(a):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Treba proto, ze jsem to uz resil a po ne moc dlouhe dobe jsme tam znovu. Coz znamena ze problem pretrvava. To ze jsou ty blacklisty pofiderni nevyvracim nicmene to ukazuje na to ze je problem u nas a nikoliv na blackistech.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">16. srpna 2018 14:44:22 SELČ, "Ladislav Blažek" <<a href="mailto:ladislav@lblazek.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ladislav@lblazek.cz</a>> napsal:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Zkusim jeste jednou...</div><div><br></div>Vsechna Tebou zminena “reseni” vyzaduji bud financni prostredky, nebo nekoho jineho cas a nebo oboje. <div>Ja porad nechapu, jaky problem se tu snazis resit? Pofiderni blacklisty, kterej si nastavil admin mail serveru nejakeho Tveho zakaznika? Nebo proc Te tak trapi, ze se vyskytujeme na techto blacklistech o ktery normalni admin ani nezavadi?</div><div><div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>16. 8. 2018 v 14:26, Jiri Vesely <<a href="mailto:postmaster@donjirka.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">postmaster@donjirka.cz</a>>:</div><br class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Reseni typu zvykni si nebo odejdi jsem cekal uz pri prvni reakci. Jsem prekvapen, byla to az ta druha.<br>
<br>
Reseni neni nikdy jednoduche nicmene je jich spusty.<br>
Napada me napriklad monitoring sitoveho provozu a vyhledavani toho ktera VPS jevi znamky nalazy a odeslani hlaseni na vlastnika.<br>
Dalsi muze mit podobu dedikovaneho clovka, ktery bude delat analyzu po nejake blokaci a resit proc se to stalo.<br>
Dalsi je napriklad nasazeni nejakeho penetracniho nastoje na odhalovani slabeho nastaveni nebo dersveho OS.<br>
Dalsi muze byt omezeni pristupu pomoci FW.<br>
Dalsi.. vyuziti nejake cloudove sluzby....<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">16. srpna 2018 13:54:21 SELČ, Petr Barta <<a href="mailto:Petr.Barta@black-sky.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Petr.Barta@black-sky.cz</a>> napsal:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On 08/16/2018 01:40 PM, Ladislav Blažek wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
Ahoj,
<div>obvykle sem pasivni clen, ale tohle me nadzvedlo… </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jak uz tu nekdo psal:</div>
<div>1. "Nejlepsi je vyhnout se blacklistum, kde se
vyskytuji subnety.”</div>
<div>2. normalni blacklisty blacklistuji konkretni IP tve
VPS</div>
<div>3. s MS to jde resit</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>“...Urcite by vpsfree melo vedet proc se na ten a
onen blacklist doatala a pokusit se to nejak napravit….”</div>
<div>vpsFree jsme my vsichni, cos teda zjistil a o co ses
pokusil?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>WTF…</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br><p>Taky souhlasim, mel jsem rozepsanou odpoved, kterou jsem pak
radeji smazal.</p><p>Krome toho bych asoi pridal, ze taky pana Dona Jirku nikdo nedrzi
a kdyz mu to tu nevyhovuje, ma samozrejme plne pravo kdykoliv
odejit. <br>
</p><p>No a ten primer s pernikem - jasne, jde blokovat vsechno, aby se
nikdo na spamlist nemohl dostat, pripadne kazdemu kontrolovat jeho
VPSku. Je tohle to co si pane Vesely predstavujete?</p><p><br>
</p><p>Orin<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>16. 8. 2018 v 13:21, Jiri Vesely <<a href="mailto:postmaster@donjirka.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">postmaster@donjirka.cz</a>>:</div>
<br class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-interchange-newline">
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Co to tady melete za nesmysly jak
asi mohu ovlivnit za sebe aby cizi VPS prestala byt
derava jak cednik nebo prestala rozesilat spam?<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Myslim ze mate bordel v tom jak
tyhle blokovace funguji a doporucuji si o tom neco
zjistit.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">U Microsoft je situace pomerne
jednoducha protoze dokazi dat na separatni ip whitelist.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Urcite by vpsfree melo vedet proc
se na ten a onen blacklist doatala a pokusit se to nejak
napravit.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Je to jako kdyz pronajimate byt a
delate ze je vam uplne jedno kdyz tam nekdo vari
pervitin.... fakt logika....</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
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<div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">7. srpna 2018 15:17:49 SELČ,
"Ondrej.Flidr" <<a href="mailto:Ondrej.Flidr@seznam.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Ondrej.Flidr@seznam.cz</a>>
napsal:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>My to resime dost podobne - u dedicated
serveru je starost klienta si hlidat a delistovat IP
adresy, u managed to resime my. A co se tyce
odchozich mailu z "cloudovyho" emailovyho reseni,
tak tam prohanime antispamem i odchozi provoz a
podezrely maily rovnou zahazujeme driv, nez opusti
nasi sit, takze tim efektivne snizujeme sanci, ze
zloklient zablokuje neco jinyho nez sebe.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Osobne se priklanim k reseni "tvoje VPS
= tvoje starost".</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ondra Flidr<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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Od: Pavel Snajdr <<a href="mailto:snajpa@snajpa.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">snajpa@snajpa.net</a>><br>
Komu: <a href="http://vpsfree.cz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vpsFree.cz</a> Community
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Datum: 7. 8. 2018 10:12:51<br>
Předmět: Re: [<a href="http://vpsfree.cz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vpsFree.cz</a>:
community-list] Blacklist
<br>
<blockquote>A
jinak, jeste jsem s Tomasem Srnkou resil detaily,
jak te ve<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Websupportu maji pro virtualni servery - a nikde
se s tim nemazou,<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
evidentne.<br>
<br>
Sprava IP na blacklistech je zalezitost jejich
klientu.<br>
<br>
V obchodnich podminkach maji, ze nesmis rozesilat
spam a za nedodrzeni<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
podminek te muzou hned od nich vyhodit.<br>
<br>
My se spis snazime ucit lidi s tema technologiema
delat, nez abychom je<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
hned vyhaneli, nebo tim aspon vyhrozovali.<br>
<br>
To s sebou nese to riziko, ze na tech spamlistech
budeme - a proto si<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
musi v tomhle "pomoct" clovek sam.<br>
<br>
Dozvedel jsem se, ze u Microsoftu si jde udelat
ucet a resit s nimi ty<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
blokace /24ek, tam by to stalo za to poresit,
takze se na to vrhnu.<br>
<br>
Ale mimo Microsoft, to netusim moc, jak bychom to
systemove dobre<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
vyresili, nez "pomoz si sam", uprimne.<br>
<br>
Tech blacklistu, u kterych jejich provozovatele
nepremysli, je dost (a<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
nebo maji totalne na haku mensi ostruvky na
Internetu, coz je pripad<span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Microsoftu).<br>
<br>
/snajpa<br>
<br>
On 2018-07-15 12:22, Jiri Vesely wrote:<br>
> Čau, ano, ta adresa je moje, ale pokud se
podíváte pořádně, tak<br>
> se ban na blacklistech vztahuje na celý
rozsah vpsfree.<br>
> Narazil jsem na to při konfiguraci Fortigate
když mi začal<br>
> blokovat mou vps.<br>
> Možná bych to mohl vyřešit i po své rovině.
Nicméně se<br>
> domnívám, že by se toho měl ujmout nějaký
statutar sdružení a<br>
> zjistit kde je problém.<br>
><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
> 11. července 2018 8:24:58 SELČ, "Pavel
Hruška" <<a href="mailto:mrpear@mrpear.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mrpear@mrpear.net</a>><br>
> napsal:<br>
><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> Je vlastně otázka, na co se původní dotaz
vztahuje - jestli je<br>
>> to bráno tak, že "tahle IP je vaše
(vpsfree) a jste na<br>
>> blacklistech, co s tím uděláte?" Nebo
spíš "dostal jsem se na<br>
>> blacklist, co s tím?"<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> Jinak díval jsem se na tu zmiňovanou IP
přes mxtoolbox a je v<br>
>> podstatě čistá. V praxi je použitelných
pár opravdu<br>
>> seriozních a stabilních blacklistů (já
používám<br>
>> <a href="http://b.barracudacentral.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">b.barracudacentral.org</a>
[4],<a href="http://xbl.spamhaus.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">xbl.spamhaus.org</a> [5],<a href="http://sbl.spamhaus.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sbl.spamhaus.org</a><br>
>> [6],<a href="http://bl.spamcop.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bl.spamcop.net</a>
[7]), pokud jsem se jich snažil použít víc,<br>
>> měl jsem úměrně tomu problémy s odmítáním
regulérních<br>
>> mailů. Člověk pak tráví spoustu času
tvořením výjimek.<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> Pavel<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> Dne 10. července 2018 16:42 Jiri Vesely
<<a href="mailto:postmaster@donjirka.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">postmaster@donjirka.cz</a>><br>
>> napsal(a):<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>>> Čau, bylo by možné něco udělat s
blokováním našich vps na<br>
>>> cca 30 blacklistech?<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.eakcorp.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.eakcorp.net</a>
[1]<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.robtex.com/ip-lookup/37.205.9.62" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.robtex.com/ip-lookup/37.205.9.62</a>
[2]<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> S pozdravem<br>
>>> Jiri V.<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> S pozdravem<br>
>>> Jiri Vesely<br>
>>>
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>>> Community-list mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:Community-list@lists.vpsfree.cz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-list@lists.vpsfree.cz</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://lists.vpsfree.cz/listinfo/community-list" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.vpsfree.cz/listinfo/community-list</a>
[3]<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> --<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> Ing. Pavel Hruška<br>
>> <a href="http://www.mrpear.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.mrpear.net</a>
[8]<br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> <a href="mailto:mrpear@mrpear.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mrpear@mrpear.net</a><br>
>><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>> web, webdesign, web-aplikace:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.pearfect.cz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.pearfect.cz</a>
[9]<br>
><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
> --<br>
> S pozdravem<br>
> Jiri Vesely<br>
><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
> Links:<br>
> ------<br>
> [1] <a href="http://www.eakcorp.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.eakcorp.net</a><br>
> [2] <a href="http://www.robtex.com/ip-lookup/37.205.9.62" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.robtex.com/ip-lookup/37.205.9.62</a><br>
> [3] <a href="http://lists.vpsfree.cz/listinfo/community-list" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.vpsfree.cz/listinfo/community-list</a><br>
> [4] <a href="http://b.barracudacentral.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://b.barracudacentral.org</a><br>
> [5] <a href="http://xbl.spamhaus.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://xbl.spamhaus.org</a><br>
> [6] <a href="http://sbl.spamhaus.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://sbl.spamhaus.org</a><br>
> [7] <a href="http://bl.spamcop.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://bl.spamcop.net</a><br>
> [8] <a href="http://www.mrpear.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.mrpear.net/</a><br>
> [9] <a href="http://www.pearfect.cz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.pearfect.cz/</a><br>
><span class="m_6334487880868407229Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
>
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